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New NHS guidance says 45% of mothers and babies are better off giving birth in midwifery-led units or at home.

In this snapshot of the debate today, Sarah Fishburn who helped develop the guidance for the NHS explains the thinking behind the study.

Birth Trauma Association’s Lucy Jolin expresses concerns about what happens if something goes wrong.

Cathy Warwick is the chief exec of the Royal College of Midwives who welcomes the findings.

First broadcast on Today Programme 3 December 2014.